i've been shooting big mulies and my .257 is not dropping them. The shot placement is good, and the ammo is up to my premiums. All my deer i shot within 200-250 yards, more than that i won't take the shot. Which will be a better caliber for at least 400 yards and still drop that big buk?
I wouldn't decide on a gun/caliber banking on making those 400 yard shots. Sure, if your only opportunity is a 400 yard shot and you are practiced at that range, then consider it. However, why not hone your hunting skills to get closer to those big boys? Don't get me wrong, I understand the desperation for a rifle/load that will reach out there both calibers mentioned have a great, long standing reputation, as does the .257 Roberts. You may be just having a string of bad luck and tough bucks. But, I'm all for adding more rifles to the cabinet. Good luck that's a tough descision.
Post by Biggunwill on Jun 12, 2005 11:15:40 GMT -5
400 yards is a fer piece with any gun. If your .257 is a Weatherby, then you have plenty of gun, as they have over 1,000 ft pounds of energy past 500yds. I don't much on the Roberts. I think either of the guns listed will handle that distance with a polymer tipped bullet, practice, and prayer.
Post by bl00dtrail on Jun 12, 2005 18:03:13 GMT -5
just thought I'd pull up some some ballistics for anyone interested in comparing the two great calibers. Obviously you can go with a heavier bullet on the 7mm but I chose matching bullets for the sake of comparing apples to apples.
here is the 270 WSM and 7mm rem. in a side by side comparison using 150gr. ballistic silvertip bullets. *Click Here*
I don't think you can go wrong with either... good luck to ya!
Post by mulesniper on Jun 12, 2005 18:53:10 GMT -5
I don't want to take mulies at 400 yards. I just want to drop a mulie and elk at 200 yards and still have fun at the prairies with them dogs at 400 yards. This is the situation. sorry if i got all you guys wrong
Post by captainhook on Jun 13, 2005 14:51:40 GMT -5
I have owned both and currently have the 270wsm. My varmint gun is a 243 wssm. The way I rationalize it is that it's more fun to have two guns than one. I guess that's why I have so many rifles. I guess it would be smart to practice on g-hogs with a rifle you plan to deer hunt with though. It would give you great confidence. If you get the 270wsm give the 140 accubonds a try. They are great out of that caliber rifle. My 270wsm is in a browning m-1000 eclipse. That heavy rifle really negates the light weight benefits of a short mag. I have a stainless stalker in 300wsm. If I were hunting mulies and elk that's what I'd be toting.
Post by huntinginga on Jun 13, 2005 19:06:29 GMT -5
At 200 yards the guns may as well be identical....or at least the deer will think so. A well placed shot from either rifle will drop any mulie. Stretch it out to 400 and you would probably be better off with the 7mag.
For the prairies, either will do the job at any normal distance, but you would have more fun with a 243 or a 22-250.
Post by mulesniper on Jun 17, 2005 23:29:55 GMT -5
Well i bought a 700 BDL 7 mag and slapped on a Burris 4-14x42 Ballistic Plex on and headed to the prairies. Loaded up some 175 grain and blasted them dogs. 400 yards on one and turned him to ground meat. all i saw was some blood and a couple of hangin skin. Sit out some ballistic gel and the barnes x just blew right thru it at 200 yards. I LIKE!!!!!!HERE I COME MR. MULIE!
Post by ranchand99 on Jun 25, 2005 14:45:17 GMT -5
.270 WSM is faster,harder hitting,and flatter shooting than the 7mm remington Mag.Both guns will do the job,but if you are going to shoot ground hogs also both of them are too much for that,unless you are trying to launch grenades at them.
Last Edit: Jun 25, 2005 14:46:05 GMT -5 by ranchand99
I SERIOUSLY don't buy into the XXX ft-lbs. crap of effectiveness of guns at a certain range. All it does is encourage shots that simply don't work. A few fps simply WON'T make a difference to the target. A 7 RM is simply a "souped up" .270 Win. The bullets are the "same" diameter, simply going a bit faster. The 7RM is simply better able to throw heavier bullets than the .270 Win. Ditto for the .270 WSM. .270 vs. 7mm boils down to available bullet selection. Since there are MORE quality bullets available for the 7mm, I'd strongly suggest it. While the WSM has some benefits, try buying ammo at the mom & pop shop in the boonies when you run out of ammo.
A good strong bullet such as the 150 grain Nosler Partition or the 160 grain Accubond should do the trick. I'd also look at the Barnes line of bullets. At these higher velocities you MUST have a strong bullet.
As for the .257 vs. .270 / 7mm argument, what's the difference between them? Not much difference really, besides the distinctly heavier bullets available in 7mm. IF you REALLY want to make a difference in your effectiveness at range, you MUST go up in caliber classes. I'd look at a good .30 caliber gun if effectiveness is your problem. 7mm is a stretch on elk, and a .270 is DEFINATELY a stretch on elk. Been there, done that.
I ran through this exercise a couple of years ago. Needed a good elk gun that can reliably knock down a ig bull at 400 yards. I already had a good deer gun. Experienced a close call with a .270 win on a cow. Recognized the marginal benefit of the 7 RM (but success), and already had a 30-06. .300 Win is a souped up 30-06, not a LOT more effective, but better. Wanted a distinct improvement in effectiveness. Ended up with a .338 for elk. Will still use the 7 RM for mulies.
I'd suggest going for the biggest gun you can handle. Theres no such thing as "too dead" of a deer.
The recoil on both 270 and 7 rem mag is pretty much the same so i choose the 7 mag due to ammo availability and more offerings in bullet weight. i really don't want to go to the 30 cal. due to heavy recoil which i can not handle due to my short a$$. The only 30 cal i have is a M1 30 Carbine. I shot a boar just last week here in california, a 624 lbs field dressed, with factory remington ammo 175 grain at 313 yards and dropped him with one shot. so i'm pretty impressed, besides, tule elks are that big too here in california.
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