Prior to 1964 they were considered one of the best rifles available ,then they were changed as to design and subcontracted out for manufacture on the 1964 and later models . this has carried over to other models but originally only the model 70 was of any concern to most shooters . The post model 70 had a redesigned action ,free floating barrel and impressed checkering instead of hand checkering . Bottom line just another cheaply made gun .
Well, at the time, the "Pre-64" Winchester Model 70 was a pretty advanced rifle, Mauser type 3 position safety, controlled round feed, positive extraction, cut checkering, excellent fit and finish, and generally a well made gun. Then the "quantity over quality" boys took over at Winchester, and to save money dropped the controlled round feed, postiive extraction, and replaced the slim graceful stock with what many felt was a club with pressed checkering, and almost put the company in bankruptcy with their "new Model 70".... I still have my father's old pre-64 in .300 H&H, and it is truely a fine piece of craftsmanship.... But, in all honesty, I don't really believe it to be a "better" rifle than Winchester is makeing today... By the way, about 10 years ago they came out with the "Model 70 Classic", which is a pretty close copy of the original Model 70.
Seems to me that "Time" is merely an artificial concept, created by man, with which to hassel himself.
I remember back in about "95" winchester had a big ad campaign about the "64" actions and how they were going back to that style. It would be interesting to research this as it was the same time the model 94's changed also.
Here's a neat trick..... when "hunting" try walking into the woods. its really neat. That way you can save gas and get some excercize!! Brag on how you got up to him within 100 yards... not how great a shot you are at 300.
I think the answer has been provided by other posts. The pre-64 model 70 was a good rifle with classic style and elegance, but its production was expensive, requiring many production steps and much manual labor. The pre-64 rifle had controlled round feed while the post-64 rifle did not have controlled round feed. I don't fully understand controlled versus non-controlled round feed, but the distinction is very important to those who hunt dangerous game. It is said that the non-controlled round feed actions are intrinsically susceptible to jamming if the action is not fully cycled, as may happen in a moment of stress when trying to get a second shot into a charging kodiak bear.
Winchester replaced the pre-64 with a different design which took advantage of advancements in manufacturing processes learned during the war production years. This lowered costs of production, but the aesthetic qualities of the rifle suffered and took a back seat to the manufacturability of the rifle. I personally feel that a rifle means a lot more to me than just a device for ejecting a bullet accurately at the right velocity, it is full of romance and mystery. I want my rifles to look beautiful and to be elegant and have richly colored and figured wood. This kind of aesthetics took a back seat to a cheaply produced pragmatic rifle.
Hi All, new member to this fine forum, alot has already been answered that I can't add to about this. But the pre64 model 70s had a claw extractor much like the Mauser 98, when the round was picked up from the magizine it was held in place by this huge extractor until it was completely chanbered, virtually eliminating the chance of "stovepiping" additional rounds. The cosmetic changes were a disaster for sales and the trend as mentioned above is to revive the older more classic style.
Most rifles use the button ejector now and in my 37 years of experince hunting I can't recount even one malfunction of the button extractor failing on a clean well kept rifle.
I'm a Remington nut and most all my guns are made by them, but I do have a model 70 ranger in 30-06 with the button extractor, it functions flawless, the only changes I've made to this gun is add a synthetic stock to replace the club shaped wood stock it came with and added a used Tasco world class 3x9x40 mm scope
This gun likes the 165 gr ballistic tip bullets in my handloads and will do an honest 1.15 5 shot group @100 yds.
And while it will never replace my model 700 BDL Remingtons (I have 5 now in 4 different calibers) the modern version is just as good a gun as the pre 64 IMO.
sure they are bigger calibers than the 30-06, but why
What's the big difference between a pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 and the post 1964 Winchesters?
Was there a big change in the manufacturing process?
I hear alot of talk about the "pre-1964" rifles.
Thanks in advance for the ansewrs.
Essentially, the difference is in workmanship. You never hear of anyone having a serious problem with a pre-64.
Please note that USRAC is now making "Model 70's" with either push-feed or controlled-round feeding (like the pre-64's). Take your pick!
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