ok, i have rights to hunt this 250 acre tract of land each year... have had it forever, but anyways i have been seeing in the range of 10-20 does each good day of hunting and NO bucks... yesterday was the first one we had seen all year... we thought it was an 8 point, small one, but it turned out to be a brow tineless 5... shew i hate that... but any ways do you guys recommend
10-20 doe in one day seems like an awful lot. What shape are they in? How many fawns have they been throwing (twins, singles)? Any idea if they hunt mostly for bucks on the surrounding farms??
On MOST places I've hunted, the bucks won't show up until after dark, or during the rut. I remember one place, I hadn't seen a single buck (other than the occasional spike) before the rut, then one day they just showed up and started picking their harems.
Obviously, if you see that many doe in one day, the population is probably out of hand. Take your limit in doe, and help level the playing field for next year.
Hopefully, one of the pro's will jump in and educate us both.
the surrounding people hunt basically only good bucks... i have never heard of them shooting does.... i think they are leaving me with the scrub bucks and everything... the does are averaging like 115 pounds....
Post by TXbowhunter on Nov 17, 2004 19:06:23 GMT -5
SHOOT DOES. Most people really underestimate how many does they need to shoot. Shoot your limit, then get anyone else you can out there to shoot there limit. I can't give an exact number because I don't know the area, but shooting about 40% of the doe population would probably be a good start. It sounds like a lot, but that's what a lot of bilologists would recommend for out of whack ratios, which is what you have. You may feel like you are shooting the whole herd, but you will have a hard time doing that. I wouldn't even bother with the bucks until you start seeing improvements in the ratios. It could take a few years, but it's worth it. That's what I'm trying to do with my place. If you are serious about some QDM, start with shooting does to get the ratios in check. 1:1 is ideal, 1:2 is acceptable. You are probably looking at at least 1:6. Also, the bucks are there, but more reclusive. Balance out the herd, then they will have to look harder for does, making themselves more visible during the rut. I'm no pro, but that's what I've read from the pros. Hope it helps.
"When a hunter is in a tree stand with high moral values and with the proper hunting ethics and richer for the experience, that hunter is 20 feet closer to God." Fred Bear
Most of what the folks are saying is correct, although without more information and actual deer surveys this is just speculation.
If there is a lot of hunting pressure in the surrounding properties, you can bet the bucks have gone nocturnal. They are still there you just won't see them. As for QDM, everyone MUST shoot does. Old school hunters don't want to because the does are the ones that produce the bucks. What people aren't considering is that there is a limited amount of deer that can be supported on any range. This "carrying capacity" is often exceeded with an abundance of does resulting in low body weights and reduced antler development.
The best thing you can do for the future is to convince the surrounding hunters to shoot does. In the long run this is the single best thing you can do to improve the deer herd.
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