I was reading that other thread regarding reloading manuals, and I took note about charges being higher in the older days. It was suggested that fear of litigation may be at issue. It was also suggested that the technology just wasn't what it is today. Both make sense.
So I was discussing this down to the lumber yard with my reloading friend, and he says he thinks is lots because brass aint what it used to be. Mmmm. iteresting.
I don't think that components are any worse now than they were years ago. In fact I think many are better now as reloaders have so many choices and can mail order right off the internet or order any kind of component they want from some supply houses. IMHO, the reason that many of the load manuals are showing lighter charges is dealing with the general public is usually a challenge at best. Ever hear of the cliche'"who reads the directions anyhow, I can put this bicycle together" as the kid waits ten hours for dad to figure it out??? Now put that same thinking into the guy/gal who picks up a load manual and starts reloading. Very dangerous...but thats the way some people are, they would rather blow themselves up and say they did it their way then pay attention to a listed load and heed all warnings given by professionals who deal with making these load combinations!!!!!!!
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Post by mindrambler on Jan 21, 2004 18:34:17 GMT -5
I was reading another piece of info that said with todays new technology with powders that they did not need the larger amounts to produce the same fps as with older powder. ;D It could also be that the new technology with powder produces greater cpu than the older powder was the reason they cut the grams per load. Just something else to think about. How many of us have a way of testing the cpu on any given load,barrel etc?
Talking with Dave Brown of Sierra's Tec support and he told me that alot of the old info was made with out the use of putters and also the use of the stess test of bors like they have today. I will not tell you what they use to get most of the info for reloading data at Sierra and alot of other manuals but you can get the same software that they use for this for about $150. most of the loads from yesterday was a triel and arer shot. if it did not show to much it would go in the book with the Max load.
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I would agree with the statement that brass is not what it use to be. I shoot BR and always use Lapua Brass for my 6 PPC. There has been a change there. Remington Brass off the shelf has now forced me to use Lapua and Neck up or down accordingly. This, just to get a consistent lot of brass. Do some Q/C checks for yourself and you should draw the same conclusion. If you don't, then ultimate accuracy may not be your game. That's ok too. It is a very frustrating world. Hunting accuracy is all that is needed in the field, which is where the majority of us spend our time. The brass that is available today for the off the shelf product that it is, is more than adequate for the type of field work ahead of us. Just keep on shooting, they'll make more.
Brass today is a s good as it ever was. In addition, we have some good choices today that we didn't have before. We now can choose from Lapua, Hornady, and Graf's brass that wasn't available in the old days, and Norma is back, as good as it used to be. Today we have a much broader choice of powders also, although some we liked are gone, like H450, original H4831, HiVel2, etc. To me all IMR powders seem to perform the same as always, but some of the others, like current H4831, may have different burning rates!
Best of all, today's BULLETS are much superior to what we used to get, as least as far as concentricity, hence accuracy, are concerned.
In additon to the above, today we know how to cast, heat-treat, size and lubricate cast bullets so well that we can get "jacketed bullet performance" from cast bullets!!
"It seems very difficult to impress most reloaders with the fact that every rifle is an individual, and what proves to be a maximum load in one may be quite mild in another, and vice versa." Bob Hagel, GAME LOADS AND PRACTICAL BALLISTICS FOR THE AMERICAN HUNTER, 1977
In 30 years reloading I have never come across such poor quality as Remington brass. Primer pockets expand well before the case is due for any corrective treatments like trimming, annealing etc. Winchester has also delivered some real junk. My last packets of 270 win brass had split and crushed necks. I now pay the extra on Norma and Lapua. In 308W lapua is fantastic. Norma in 375 H&H, 338 Win Mag and despite the extra cost I'm well ahead.
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