Barrel length is mostly a matter of personal preference. Of course if you're shooting a replica arm the length will be dictated by the design. Twist would normally be fairly slow. Some people report good results with a twist as fast as 1-48. Infact, a 1-48 twist is about perfect if you're shooting .40 caliber. For the best performance in larger calibers, you might want 1-60, 1-66 or even slower. I'm sure some of the folks that know much more than I will straighten us out, but caliber is a consideration.
Well there we go with some information...Now fro round balls from 45 Cal to 54 Cal, the common twist is from 1-48" to 1-72", this also depends on the manufacture, if you chose a Thompson Center the average is 1-48" and a Lyman is a 1-60"...As for the 32 cal the general twist is 1-48"....As for barrel lengths that can go from 30" to 42" on all calibers. Normally if you go beyond 36" on a 32 Cal you can run into problems with ball slowdown when the powder charge has finished expanding...The 54 cal has been called the 30-06 of the roundball guns... I hope this helps...
For the .50 caliber I would go with a 1-56 twist to a 1-70 twist. This range is excellent for a Round ball. My personal experience of a 1-48 twist in a 45/50/54 cals. is in most cases they don't shoot either a RB or Conical very accurately & the few exceptions that will shoot one accurately it will take ya 2 years to find the load to make it work & they are really a waste of time when there are twists that will shoot them accurately right off the bat. Others mileage may vary....
IMHO, the Lyman GPR is a good starter rifle & the Best Buy for the Money in a low priced mass produced rifle.
For the .32 caliber I would bo with a 1-38 twist to a 1-48 twist. On a low priced mass produced rifle of such I would go with a Traditions Crocket. Good lil rifle for the $ and very accurate right out of the box. Last time I checked Midsouth Shooters Supply had the best buy on both rifles. www.midsouthshooterssupply.com
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[Post by member of another board in response to my warning and relating my experience with Midsouth.]
In another thread I [P.N.] was discussing the best price for a GPR. One of the members here [me/Weasel] gave two places. This is to his credit because he was less than happy with Mid south. I emailed them and told them I would not order from them because of the poor service to a fellow forum member. I also firmly believe all reputable companies are very concerned when problems come to their attention. It appears to be the case here also as I just received the following email:[from Midsouth] -------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry to hear about the bad experience your fellow chat board member had with our company, as well hearing about the loss of business it has cost us in the long run. My name is Michael Ryan, I've worked here at Midsouth since the day I ended my time in the Army in 1995. I started as an operator and worked my way up to Advertising and Marketing, so I've seen every aspect of what our company does. I am very proud work here and very dedicated to this company and the people who work here every day. Believe me when I say, it's never easy to receive letters like this.
I had a difficult time locating the order that your friend is referring to because I believe his e-mail has since changed. However, I searched back through the archives, and I think I found the order in question. I did research on the circumstances surrounding his order and I can understand entirely why he was so upset. We did several things wrong:
First, I believe he called us, asked if the kit was in stock, then sent a money order to cover the item and place the order. At the time he called the item probably was in stock, and when his money order arrived the kit was probably gone. The operator, knowing it was so close to Christmas, should have known the kit would be gone by the time the order was mailed and should have placed an order to hold the item for him.
Second, obviously, when the order arrived and the kit was not in stock, a phone call on our part to him should have taken place, but didn't.
Third, his order was sent in around Dec 17th, 2001 and finally shipped on Feb 18th, 2002. We had the item on order, and were given a ship date from Lyman of late December. Regardless, our operators are not to assume a ship date is correct or release an expected ship date from a factory. 9 times out of 10, the factory is wrong, and as a result the, customer is upset, confused, and worst of all, without the product they want.
Fourth, and probably most embarrassing, when he finally received the kit and the parts were missing, we should called Lyman, not him. Our return department manager at the time had a problem remembering who was actually inconvenienced by the parts not being in the package. We had several similar complaints from customers and quickly realized a change must occur. Our returns department has since gone through several changes to include new management.
Unfortunately, your friends’ comments do accurately portray his ordering experience, and we don't take this lightly. First impressions, and poor impressions are difficult to change, and your comments and your the posts on the chat board haven't fallen on deaf ears. I've printed your letter, and the posts on the chat board and they will be used to show everyone here from returns to packers, how important it is to provide a customer with the most basic principal behind shopping, service.
Once again, I take your comments very seriously, and most of all, I take them personally.
Thank you for your time,
I had called Midsouth and was told by the order taker that they had plenty of kits in stock. They lied! They told me over and over the kit would be shipped within days. They lied! When I finally received the kit, all of the small parts were missing. I called Midsouth and they told me it wasn't their problem. They told me to try getting the parts from Lyman. When I asked them to send me the parts from another kit they had in stock, I was told they weren't responsible for missing parts and they wouldn't even contact Lyman for me. To this day, the only satisfaction I've received is an admission of guilt from Micheal, the sales person. Connie, the main person in charge has refused my phone calls. Use Midsouth at your own risk! Feel free to ask me any details you wish.
The past ten years, my go to rifle has been a 50 cal. Tradition Pennsylvania long rifle (kentucky for you guys below the Mason/Dixon,LOL). The gun has a 1 in 66 twist, shoots great. Never had a deer conplain, and it holds its own in a black powder match.
It is not how big the gun is, but how well you can place the bullet, practice, practice, practice.
In all fairness, I need to update the comments on Midsouth. They have assured me that major changes have been made and the problems I experianced have been addressed. They even made a very generous donation to The Boyscouts of America as a show of good faith.
HillJack, just my 2cents worth! First forget about that .32 cal for hunting squirrels......Go to a 45 cal, and your not likely to pull your hair out in the process of hunting those little critters. You just aim for the head OK.
Twist is something that will effect your accuracy in a smoke pole of a various caliber. In the 50 I like the 1 in 66 for shooting round balls. I have 2 custom guns in a .45 and 50 caliber, both will clover leaf em at 75 yards on a good day from the bench. Long barrels and Kentucky wood stocks.
My 2 shorter barrel Hawkin guns, one a 54 and the other a 50 are in the 1 in 48 twist and they will shoot either the round ball or the conical, sabot etc. within hunting accuracy at 50 and 100 yards. My 54 caliber will contain round balls in a 2.5 inch at 60 yards and keep them inside a 6 inch bull at 100 yards with 85 grains of powder for 3 shots off hand. A friend of mine has had them print under 4 inches at a 100 yards but his eyes are better than mine.
Round balls like less twist as a general rule no matter what caliber your shooting. Sabots and conicals need more twist! I have found the 50 caliber to be more accurate than those calibers above such as the .54, .58, and .72 cal. etc. However, there are exceptions to every rule.
Last Edit: Nov 28, 2004 20:41:57 GMT -5 by Cimmeron
Sorry about the lateness of the reply...I just caught where you had posted...
The .32 Cal is a great for small game...and as far as the larger bores I believe it is more the shooter than the caliber or rifle, especially with muzzleloaders...
I build and shoot all my own rifles, for hunting I really like my 62 Cal English rifle (Flint and Caplock) and have taken a fair amount of game and trail walks and meat shoots with it...My 32 cal is a fullstock flinter with a Long Hammock Barrel, and it is a hoot to shoot and hunt with...
Sorry if you have had problems with the others...Thanks for reading my thoughts and opinions...
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